what newtown showed us is existing security is not safe. the only way to protect our students right now is to have a police officer present in the school. >> but not everyone is on board with the nra's plan to make schools safer. joining me now is randy winegarten, the head of the american federation of teachers. thank you so much for joining us. >> it's my pleasure. >> we did d some research and the national school safety center says about 25% of schools with armed guards, when i go to a college football game, i often see numerous officers have weapons. in case of issues. why should that same protection that's at a college football game not be afforded to every single child that goes to public school in america? >> so, you know, let me -- i don't want to be cynical about this. but what we really need is actually less guns in schools, not more guns in schools. before i was aft president, i was president of the new york city teachers local and we have had police officers in schools and we have had metal detectors in schools. but police offic